Lovable’s Elena Verna on evolving AI pricing from usage to value
As a finance and growth leader, I’ve seen AI break every pricing assumption we had about SaaS.
On December 10th, join Lovable’s Head of Growth, Elena Verna, for a candid conversation about how they’re navigating that shift. She’ll share how Lovable is experimenting beyond usage-based pricing, why predictability still matters for enterprise buyers, and what signals point toward outcome-based value. If you’ve been wondering what “good” looks like for AI pricing, this is the conversation to join.:
What Business Insurance Do I Need?
As a tech CFO there are few times I feel dumber than when I’m thumbing through insurance options. It's not that it's inherently difficult like a physics problem might be… it's more that the whole process is (intentionally?) vague and full of "well, it depends."
Like, give it to me straight, doc.
Running any business comes with taking on some sort of risk. If you don't undertake risk, you aren't doing something worthy of people giving you money.
Now I know what you're thinking:
"CJ, we aren't a paper mill. We've never had anyone lose a finger in a machine. In fact, we don't even make anything you can touch."
And I would respond, exactly!
But here's the thing - unlike manufacturing companies with obvious physical risks, tech companies face invisible but potentially company-ending liabilities. A single data breach (Solarwinds!), faulty algo (Zillow Offers!), or employment lawsuit (Uber!) can destroy years of value creation faster than any industrial accident ever could (ok, maybe not any industrial accident… Three Mile Island was pretty bad).
That's why insurance for tech companies is so confusing. It's hard to quantify and bucket risk you can't see.
What I'll attempt to do in this post is demystify the types of business insurance tech companies typically need, and give you current pricing estimates so you don't get taken to the cleaners.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Insurance
When you start out, there isn't much to protect. You’re just three guys in a garage trying to chase the dream.
But as you grow, you build into this hierarchy:
Survival Insurance → Revenue Protection → Operational Insurance
Let's break each down.
Level 1: Survival Insurance (D&O)
When you take on fundraising you are required to get what they call Directors and Officer's Insurance (D&O). This makes sure that if you do some shady stuff (like not paying employees wages) the board members (directors) don't get sued personally. That would be called "piercing the corporate veil."

The band, Pierce the Veil
“D&O is critically important when you close your first round of funding. D&O protects your company’s leadership team and their personal assets from claims of some wrong doing in managing the company.”
D&O protects the company’s decision makers. Claims can come from shareholders, investors, lenders, regulators, and competitors. And these lawsuits have tripled since 2020. Stuff that might apply:
Makings statements to investors about your performance that are misleading
Breach of contract claims from dissatisfied customers
Failure to comply with regulatory standards
Claims from an employee related to wages
Within D&O you can add more specific insurance policies like Employment Liability Insurance (EPLI) which protect against the hairy problems like discrimination, harassment, and wrongful termination. Think of it as an add on module.
Even if you don't do anything wrong (I would never dump chemical waste in the Charles River!), you still have to defend yourself. There will always be crazy, bitter employees or competitors. For some competitors, taking you to court is part of their strategy. Defense costs alone can hit six figures, and that's covered under D&O.
You want to get D&O coverage at the very start, when you’re clean as a whistle. This is when you get the best rates. Doing it later is like shopping for health insurance after you start chain-smoking.
Some Unofficial Estimates:
Early stage (Seed-Series A): $1M coverage runs $3K-6K annually
Series B-C companies: $2M-5M coverage ranges $8K-25K annually
Later stage (>$50M revenue): $5M-+10M coverage can be $25K-100K+ annually
An important aside - sector matters enormously. AI/ML, fintech, healthtech, and crypto companies pay 2-3x these rates because insurers are terrified of regulatory risk. There are more unknowns.
You typically need $2M-5M of D&O coverage as a venture-backed private company. In recent years, we've seen companies gravitate toward the higher end. So budget $15K-35K annually for solid coverage.
On the bright side, the cost per million of coverage goes down as you buy more.
Level 2: Revenue Protection (Tech E&O + Cyber)
The next policy is Tech Errors and Omissions Insurance, purchased before you start making real money from your tech.
Think: could your product cause an outage and take down your customer's systems, preventing them from making money?
“This policy protects you in case your product or service fail or contain a glitch or has an error that causes a customer to suffer a financial harm or damage that they sue you for.”
This covers the stuff that keeps CTOs awake at night:
Breach of warranty - when your tech doesn't measure up to promises
Breach of contract - missing deadlines specified in contracts
Negligence - security gaps that lead to breaches
Copyright infringement - when code gets copied and lawsuits ensue
How It Actually Works When Shit Hits the Fan
As we mentioned with D&O, when you get sued, the insurance company will hire a lawyer to respond to the lawsuit and work with you through the case. These defense costs are covered under your E&O policy.
But here's the catch - defense costs eat into your total coverage limit. If your insurance company pays $250K defending you and you have a $1M policy limit, you now only have $750K left to pay any settlement. Go over that, and you're paying out of pocket.
Legal defense alone can easily hit $200K-500K before you even get to a settlement.
And the limits do not reset each year for the same incident. In other words, if you have $2m in coverage and it costs you $250k in year one to defend, on Jan 1 your balance doesn’t reset back from $1.75M to $2m.
This is a big consideration when you think about coverage limits.
Ok, a few notes on cyber. Since 2020, cyber has largely separated from E&O because claims increased 300%. This covers:
Ransomware attacks (now hitting 1 in 5 companies)
Data breaches and notification costs
Business interruption from cyber events
Regulatory fines (GDPR, CCPA, etc.)
And we’re embarking on a new frontier with AI - If you're building AI products, insurers are starting to ask specific questions about algorithmic bias, decision-making processes, and training data. This space is evolving fast.
Current Pricing for Tech E&O + Cyber:
Startup (<$5M revenue): $1M-2M coverage typically $4K-12K annually
Growth stage ($5M-50M): $2M-5M coverage ranges $12K-45K annually
Enterprise (>$50M): $5M+ coverage can be $35K-200K+ annually
Something I recently learned: E&O excludes slip and fall type claims when someone injures themselves. That’s squarely in the domain of general liability policies, which we’ll cover next. So remember… E&O covers financial damages, not physical damages.
Level 3: Operational Insurance (General Liability)
The third purchase is typically a Business Owner's Policy (BOP), sometimes called business liability, comprehensive liability, commercial general liability, or just GL for short. Tomato, tomahto.
A BOP combines general liability with property insurance to form a package policy, plus some fringe coverages (Russian nested doll vibes).

It protects your company from three key areas:
Bodily injury
Property damage
Advertising or personal injury
You typically purchase this when you get an office or start having clients visit. Yes, I know we're in tech, but what if you have a quarterly business review with a major partner and they slip on the steps coming in? People are clumsy, and we’ve all seen the commercial below.

The "advertising and personal injury" part is confusing because it doesn't necessarily involve bodily injury or property damage. These claims come from libel, slander, and copyright infringement - like talking shit about your competitors in a way that damages their business. It’s bundled into this policy (I think) because the internet didn’t exist yet when it became standard.
Pricing: Usually $1K-5K annually for basic coverage. Pretty reasonable compared to everything else
And Remember: Employment issues like harassment do NOT fall under GL. That's why we need EPLI under your D&O, which we hit on earlier. (Coyle Group)
Adding It Up
For a typical Series B company ($10M-30M revenue), budget $40K-60K annually for comprehensive coverage.
D&O Insurance: $15K-35K annually (mid-range ~$25K)
Tech E&O + Cyber: $12K-45K annually (mid-range ~$30K)
General Liability: $1K-5K annually (mid-range ~$3K)
If you're in a higher-risk sector like fintech, AI/ML, or healthtech, bump that up to $60K-$80K. Yes, that's up about 30% from pre-2020 levels, but it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than one major lawsuit.
The key is getting ahead of it. Like I said earlier - shopping for insurance after you need it is like trying to buy flood insurance during a hurricane. You’re lucky to find an inflatable raft.
Start clean, stay covered, and sleep better at night. After all, that’s what you’re really buying.
Run the Numbers Podcast
The great and powerful Greg Henry returns. Last time we talked to him he was CFO of Couchbase. Now he’s at OnePassword kicking off a new chapter.
On this episode we go deep on how to comp sales reps on PLG models vs field sales. We discuss how forecasting changes when the product does the selling, how to think about comp and pricing in a usage led world, and the early tells that a model is quietly over or under performing. He explains why CFOs should meet far more customers than they do, and how CFOs can use the power of the purse to drive sales. This is full of grounded advice, from one of the best, for first time CFOs.
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Burning Through Your TAM
I was talking with a CFO the other week who had what most GTM leaders would kill for: a perfectly defined TAM.
His company sells software to independent financial advisors. Think… the money managers that don’t work for big banks like Goldman or Merrill.
Every potential customer is registered with FINRA, 76,000 of them, right there in a searchable database. No guessing. No messy enrichment. Just names and numbers. They can literally pay for a list and dial into all of them.
They know where the bodies are buried.
Sounds like a dream.
But here’s the catch: when your market is finite and findable, it’s also burnable.
Mostly Growth Podcast
Dave Kellogg, a CEO and CMO legend, joins Mostly Growth to hang with the guys.
We discuss ARR in an AI world, and some of the most recent “recurring” crimes taking place (including Polymarket and Kalshi). We talk about the credit card “free rewards” grift (why is it so hard to get $900 of benefits from a $900 credit card?). And we debate “who will buy all the SaaS companies?”
Wishing you ARR that actually contractually recurs,
CJ

